KuRuPT Thanosi. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far far beyond any of his other forms. Round 10: Presence And GEB ( Respect Thread for GEB) Both are. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Spectre is tapped into God so he has an unlimited amount of power at his disposal. 3 years ago. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. " Yep this is a pretty easy win for Frank 14 years ago. He wins. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Ruphas not in baseline L1A, Ruphas can easily defeated Alovenus which is rated L1A character. Even if that IG (which was a modern variant which has barely any universal feats) was the multiversal one it was during the Infinity Gauntlet saga, it would still not be enough to match pre retcon Beholder. deactivated-5d45fd7ce1a16. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). " lord marvel is said to be omnipotent and he can get smacked up. Follow 474. This is PRE-Retcon Beyonder, you know, before LT could do shit to him and pulled out that asswipe explanation. The Beyonder realm might be a million times bigger than the entire Marvel Multiverse combined but in the end it's still part of the larger multiverse. #1 Edited By LightningGod67. Even The. lmao Also classic Marvel supporters. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. 3. The only other non-Omnipotent characters in Marvel who might even rival a bloodlusted pre-Retcon Beyonder for one are the Infinite Infinites and Divine Creator VIA narrative wanking. CCC Gilgamesh vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. The Beyonder was also stated to be "Beyond the Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse" which means that, he was beyond "Infinite-Dimensions" or "Trans-Infinity". 0. I will need to have cited evidence for. the_doctor. 7. ago. The Beyonder realm might be a million times bigger than the entire Marvel Multiverse combined but in the end it's still part of the larger multiverse. If he can beat beyonder, he wins 10/10 because he would know the correct path in every timeline, which he exists in, because he is omnipresent. No prep and no knowledge. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. DONATE TO SUPPORT THE CHANNEL! Put a message with your donation so I know your request if your donation is for a request tier. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. . Now just imagine 10,000 of them vs 10,000 Celestials. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. ". Pre-recton Beyonder, was the sum of everything. . Doomslayer can beat 69420 trillion Master Chiefs and has literally indestructible armor he stomps. Beyonder Pré-Retcon foi uma das Entidades mais poderosas da #Marvel, ficando até mesmo acima do Tribunal Vivo, ele é bem conhecido por ter criado a Saga Guer. The difference between that portrayal and what Pre-Crisis Superman was capable of is most likely over a dozen orders of magnitude greater than the one between an amoeba and Pre-Crisis Superman. Does it matter by that logic Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) because he didnt resist doom taking his power thats a contradiction in your opinion about PR Beyonder. A Beyonder easily ripping off Thor's arm. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . Featherine is way above than Beyonder. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. Dream of the Endless unable to stop Barbatos, who like Mxyzptlk, will steamroll Beyonder and Molecule Man without even trying. But Lucifer. I can only speak of Pre-Retcon Beyonder since that is who I am familiar with, but pre-Retcon Beyonder was explicitly a being outside of the Marvel totality. You see, the thing is that Pre Retcon Beyonder is Secret Wars Beyonder, so it’s not completely incorrect in a away, but all these events are taking after the retcon, if you get what I mean. DONATE TO SUPPORT THE CHANNEL! Put a message with your donation so I know your request if your donation is for a request tier. -Both at 1-A -I wonder which Beyonders are stronger now since the The Beyonders recently got upgraded into 1-A. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. THe nature and effects of the Retcon are irrelevant. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. TOAA wins either way though. You need to be logged in to post comments. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. Hey guy's! aaj jo mai batane jaa rha hoon #Marvel ke most powerful character jo sirf marvel multiiverse me hi nhi balki dusre companies ke multiverse se bada. Pre-retcon: The universe was his plaything. Beyonder made everything happen,every occurrence, positive or negative, was of Beyonder's own making Beyonder can rewriter everything,Even rewriter "Pre-recton Beyonder" into "SW3" HOTU never have. Pre Retcon Beyonder wins with ease! He is literally beyond everyone and everything (ofc not TOAA) and a multiversal threat. Batman gets as much prep time as he wants. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. They live here, and decided to fuck shit up. #1. User Lists: 0We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. So the information given is contradictory as a Cosmic Cube can't do what the Beyonder did but he canonically does those things. Beyonder's best feats consist of warping reality on a Multiversal scale in his fight with MM, and being millions of times stronger than anyone in the marvel multiverse, but that's only impressive up to a certain point before it becomes. If the individual, then pre-retcon Beyonder wins hands down. 8. Reviews: 0. But it wont be easy by no means. That makes me believe that Beyonder may not be all that he is made out to be. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. Originally posted by the Darkone Spectre at full powered is above the pre-recon beyonder, Spectre is powered by God, I'm sorry that's one Ace even the pre-recon Beyonder can't overcome. How the fuck does a "millions of times stronger than the multiverse" Beyonder become. Round 3: All-Mighty vs TOAA. Pre-Retcon Beyonder would easily beat Lucifer Morningstar, and would probably stalemate TOAA and MoM. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. All indications are that. Forum Posts. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only appeared in a few issues of Fantastic Four as far as I know, it's hard to tell. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Oblivion. A being who is millions of times stronger than the marvel Multiverse vs a. Possibly the most powerful character in creation. OPM can't even defeat Post-retcon Beyonder, let alone Pre-retcon. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. Round 2 is just silly, because neither of those characters would be ANY help to Superman, much less to Beyonder. Reinhard or Mercurius could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder. It's more like the One Above All kind of power. 103. Battle for the title of 2nd strongest Marvel Character. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. Anti-Monitor's probably on the scale of pre-retcon Molecule Man, a foe that Beyonder was able to beat. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). 2. The Soruce(DC) 5. Even though most of Beyonder's feats in SW are still canon, Doom's statement could have *only* been in reference to POST-retcon (ie. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. deactivated-5b3daad020468. PRE-RETCON BEYONDER? All of them are BLOODLUSTED! TOAA is the special referee! DB universe characters start at their maximum power and are already at their most powerful form! 14 years ago. The Beyonder and the Molecule Man, also known as Owen Reece, have a complex and tumultuous relationship. K. Precursors and Silentium Flood (Halo) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (616 Marvel) Apparently, the Precursors are massively multiversal as the Forerunners, who are inferior to them, can use entire universes to power themselves. The Beyonder is a cosmic being of immense power, often labelled as omnipotent during the issues of Secret Wars, and much stronger than all the other cosmic entities. Beyonder preretcon upgrade. 8 years ago. 0. This has to be a joke wtf. Both are Omnipotent Supreme Beings but PRB was God to something larger than. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". Fight takes place in an infinite dimension. Whereas Spawn is equal to Spectre in terms of. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. About Pre-retcon/Classic Beyonder. Nope. Thought Robot without any effort. Round 2: All-Mighty vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 3. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. A Pre-Retcon Beyonder is beyond the Galaxy, beyond Dimensions, beyond the Multi Verse and should easily stomp the absolute shit out of whatever pseudo intellectual Neil Gaiman fake mystic mumbo. Fighting place: Dr. In the pocket dimension, classic doctor strange would do exactly what he did. #2. #8. Originally, the Marvel Comics' character known as The Beyonder, as portrayed during Jim Shooter's Secret Wars duology, as a nearly all-powerful entity. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. I don't think that PR Beyonder would actually notice him. Hajun via feats and implied power. " Uhhh, yes it does. Hesperus 25 d . Even The. Goku is low outer at best and byonder is easily outerversal. The scarlet demon is omnipresent throughout the narrative stacks and normal SK is just a mere avatar of the scarlet demon. Location: Above Earth. • 1 year ago. Protege and Pre-Retcon Beyonder 49%. All reality was a dream created by Beyonder. Wiki Points. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube (Because part of the power was in Owen Reece) Recent Retcon Beyonder < the marvel abstracts but not by much. Lucifer is a different beast. Poll Eru Iluvatar vs Beyonder ( Pre Retcon ) (41 votes) Eru 61%. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being of his Multiverse. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Pralaya. vs. Who wins this? r/whowouldwin •. Beyonder's best feat is defeating a multiverse level entity, the Living Tribunal, which was a big deal. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was. Jack Kirby never wanted the Tribunal to ever be even threatened and the ultimate authority for a long time as long as he was in the company, so LT being beaten was seen as an insult by some comic fans. Learn the difference between the original, toned-down, and evolved versions of the Beyonder, a cosmic entity that can create and destroy reality, in Marvel Comics. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. Reply. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. No matter how you interpret the effects of the Retcon, Beyonder can no longer be stated to be above Authorial fiat. Who is pre Retcon beyonder? Summary. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1 Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal 4 years ago #2. Batman (just kidding) 10 years ago. Team 1 = Two Grain Pre-Retcon Beyonder. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth’s. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. destinyman75. From incredibly superficial research, it's the whole "Shadow/Dark Reflection of God" thing that has been knocking around in DC since the old Swamp Thing days. I don't think that Pre-retcon Beyonder in pic but. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 21 K. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. . Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. After that he was retconned to a far less powerful cosmic cube. VS. Destroyah said: Doesn't really change the fact that PR Beyonder was as close you could get to being omnipotent then just being. Both sides are in character but determined to win. . The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. Ho…Note: While the Beyonder's existence is often divided between "pre-retcon" and "post-retcon" in relation to the original Secret Wars, this is not entirely accurate. Forum Posts. I realize that this doesn't exactly answer your question. 3. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. #1 quandaledingle. Just because Beyonder, originally wasnt from marvel multiverse doesnt mean that Beyonder isnt a marvel character, because he is. u/nullfather can attest to that. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. Which then would put the DC team a few steps below the over-void - DC's prime meta. #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. As a result, for his experiment, he. . 3. Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". Adptive armor isnt doing a thing for him here just as much as it helped against. ago. 2. Definitely Beyonder. A few pages leter Beyonder comes back kills Doom and starts curb stomping everyone including wrecking the mutli verse and breaking apart countless realities That's what Pre Retcon Beyonder is A. GEB=Anti Pressence. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. The pre-retcon beyonder is aware of the writer/publishers and can threatening them so that possibly plot resistance. Why? Because beyonder powers are const and limited. Dec 24, 2015. Dreamxd26. It's my understanding that Anti-Monitor is on a lower tier than the Living Tribunal, who in return is far below pre-retcon Beyonder. If PR Beyonder is superior to TOAA then God Emperor. Protege is the embodiment of a "no-limits" fallacy though. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. who universe. Wiki Points. 0. 5 years ago Galactic_1000Every single universe in the entirety of the Marvel multiverse combined is literally a drop in the ocean to Pre-Retcon Beyonder's power, The minotors exist in a dimension called "The Bleed", which is basically identical to Marvels "The Beyond". Minor nitpick. #2 Edited By juiceboks Moderator. 13 years. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. #28 ovy7. The events of. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Then there the Beyonder Child unit thing that is related to The beyonders. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. Well pre-retcon beyonder was able to erase marvels death. PR Beyonder curbstomps. Phoenix attacks Beyonder with all her power, Beyonder don't even flinch. Pre Retcon Beyonder was the original TOAA before today's TOAA was established. Just like the sky seems infinite to us puny humans, the pre retcon beyonder s power seems unlimited to puny marvel multiverse. Wiki Points. There are Infinite, far less. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. Forum Posts. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. The All-Mighty (SCP) vs TOAA, Pre-Retcon Beyonder, and Oblivion (Marvel) All of them at their strongest. synnar the. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Its not like the writer of marvel has dominon only over character. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. 7 K. 0. Victini could arguably do it if you allow Pokedex entries. This is a simple fight. 1. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. This is a spite thread then . And he has just way more hax and reality manipulation against the mostly physical Goku to handle! 11. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. A. The Two fight in the beyond realm. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. 0. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. Most being have failed, and only two holds the hope of all creation. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Who is a better god like figure?Both Beyonders wins. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. EOS Li QiyVs Pre Retcon Beyonder Both are bloodlusted Both have basic knowledge of each other The battle takes place in a Nuetral location @DivineMaRound 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. 1 year ago. 1 year ago. Forum Posts. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. Children can be extremely capricious, and a being as powerful as the Beyonder with that attitude can be very dangerous. (Like many of these fights) Universal Steve. Been done here on the vine. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. 13 years agoWasn't Pre-Retcon Beyonder just a child unit of Beyonder race? He was shown that way in Deadpool's Secret Wars. (Like many of these fights) Universal Steve. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. Franklin Richards(full control of his powers) All the celestials. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. FollowRound 5: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man vs God Emperor Doom Round 6:Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God Emperor Doom Bonus Round: Protege vs God Emperor Doom This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A GregLeagueGamingAlt •. When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL. you speak nonsense earth boy. Pre-retcon molecule man is the most powerful version of recce. well omnipotent. This pre retcon Beyonder. The people at Marvel Comics figured it was a dumb idea, so they changed (or retconned) it. He encountered the child Beyonder in the latter's. Pre-Retcon Beyonder should not even consider Demonbane. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. Well COIE Anti Monitor, as powerful as he may be, is actually a little out of his league here. R3 - Inhuman/Mutant Beyonder faces the 5. Beyonder's best feats consist of warping reality on a Multiversal scale in his fight with MM, and being millions of times stronger than anyone in the marvel multiverse, but that's only impressive up to a certain point before it becomes. Do not make any Thanos with HOTU vs threads. . #20. . Round 9: Lord English (Anyone who served him and who were amped by him count) Respect Thread for him and a bit for his Servants. But Pre-Retcon Beyonder was around during 1985 during secret wars; making this databook not applicable to the Beyonder on the post. 9 years ago. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. Cosmic armor supes needs a downgrade soon. @Metalslash said: MJJ wins. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. 0. 14 years ago. Cubey. Basically he is like the Amalgam Brothers, but so much powerful the Brothers would be microscopic in comparison. With this skill (plot manipulation), still can affect Pr beyonder. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. Even if we insanely highball Spectre to be equal to the Living Tribunal (which, as powerful as he is, he clearly is. Per Hank Pym the events of SW2. Third, Mxy would be erased of existence by. Post-retcon Beyonder loses hands-down. reality equals his thoughts. -5. Sorry this is turning into a minor RT haha,. The Living Tribunal was able to stop the Infinity Gaunlet from working, while PR Molecule Man stated to be stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts, and the Living Tribunal . @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. Motivation: ROB Fight in ROBverse. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Oblivion. 3. Prime Brock Lesnar, Prime Mike Tyson, A Neanderthal Male,Prime Andre the Giant, A. FIRST COSMOS. Share to. If i had to lowkey choose one blindly, i'd go with PRB. Rick Sanchez Vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder, The One Above All, The Presence, Azathoth, Doctor Manhattan, The Scarlet King, Sun Wukong, and Homelander Battle Round 1: No prep Round 2: Rick knows about everyone and gets a month of prep. The beyonder has way better feats. CsmicRanker1314 1. Beyonder if what I hear of Gan/Crimson King is true (and. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. said: "Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins 10/10. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder due to how scared shitless they were of both. The recent additions of the Heart of the Universe as an accepted Canon Thing, and the Pre-Retcon Beyonder's revisions were the first results of such result. Pre-retcon beyonder can't do anything to sun wukong. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. He needed to use his entire power to kill mistress death which left. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. )Pre-Retcon Beyonder is too much for John Constantine to handle. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Pre recon beyonder is not omnipotent, but nigh-omnipotent as there is only 1 omnipotent character in omniverse and in marvel it is the One Above All not Beyonder. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. Hell even Strange Visitor Superman with scaling off of Mxy could take Pre-Retcon Beyonder. 14 years ago. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. Followers. 14 years ago. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. Master/Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Galeem/Dharkon. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. ago. Dr Manhattan has the power to control matter as well as subatomic perception and control.